tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post5898002674606655568..comments2023-04-28T07:14:13.629-07:00Comments on Kid Cutbank: Masculinity Is Not RevolutionaryKid Cutbankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-67794621303964938662012-08-08T06:37:42.268-07:002012-08-08T06:37:42.268-07:00Dear liberationislife,
Thank you for writing.
I ...Dear liberationislife,<br /><br />Thank you for writing.<br /><br />I think you make a great point and I hadn't thought of that. You're right: Men actively make it impossible for women to have voices by refusing to respect them. I agree with what you say about men not being leaders who need to step aside, but (I would say) rather simply stopping their masculine quests for dominance within groups. <br /><br />I appreciate your pointing this out to me.<br /><br />Thank you,<br />BenKid Cutbankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-13752523522032838262012-08-07T09:19:21.002-07:002012-08-07T09:19:21.002-07:00Ben, much here to chew over. Excuse my doing it gr...Ben, much here to chew over. Excuse my doing it gradually :-)<br /><br />I really appreciated this.<br /><br /><br />A thought on your final para - I think there is a tension between "To begin to reject this mentality, radical men should practice stepping aside while women assume roles in leadership"<br />and<br />"However, men also need to learn to listen more, taking direction from the women around them and learning to be better allies."<br /><br />The problem is that in order to be a leader, people need to respect your contribution and be willing to learn from, often emulate, it. My observation is that increasingly in radical circles, men refuse to respect or follow women. They tend not to listen. They go out of their way to acknowledge men for making similar or lesser contributions than women have made. They can sometimes promote token women who they think can be used to police the other women, to stop other women from criticising sexism too much. <br /><br />Men can actively push women out. They can actively engage in bonding with other men with the aim of boosting their own group power. Often, this bonding takes the form of putting women down (perhaps subtly, say by deploring the sadness of those women's personal problems, and hoping that they can help provide political inspiration for those women).<br /><br />So in this sense, I would not characterise men as being leaders who need to "step aside". For those men who truly are leading (which involves being willing to learn from all others, including women), I would rather they not step aside. They are important.<br /><br />But the other men are not, in reality, *leading*, but jostling to improve their own status, in a misogynist manner. <br /><br /><br />Thanks :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-22770420066328759372012-08-06T20:44:51.894-07:002012-08-06T20:44:51.894-07:00beautifully written, my friend. glad i took the ex...beautifully written, my friend. glad i took the extra five minutes to read!;)Jessiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02076039817447003486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-88434839694730141402012-08-05T18:47:48.068-07:002012-08-05T18:47:48.068-07:00Dear Alicia,
I'm not talking about gender rol...Dear Alicia,<br /><br />I'm not talking about gender roles. I'm talking about gender as a socially-created system of control.<br /><br />Thank you,<br />BenKid Cutbankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-40839511781403019882012-08-05T18:46:21.984-07:002012-08-05T18:46:21.984-07:00As a trans woman, I'm not really sure where I ...As a trans woman, I'm not really sure where I fall in your black and white narrative of gender roles. It seems there is no room for me within it; and this seems to be compounded by the fact that you use Lierre Keith as a reference point in your analysis, who has long history of transphobia.Aliciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15737647021232272840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-53015667067560099232012-07-15T18:44:28.171-07:002012-07-15T18:44:28.171-07:00Thanks for saying that, Glen.Thanks for saying that, Glen.Kid Cutbankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-13591793243192125512012-07-15T18:44:16.224-07:002012-07-15T18:44:16.224-07:00Yes, you can absolutely reproduce this. Thank you ...Yes, you can absolutely reproduce this. Thank you for asking.Kid Cutbankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-6626680988857471382012-07-11T16:23:40.564-07:002012-07-11T16:23:40.564-07:00Would it be okay to reproduce this on my blog, wit...Would it be okay to reproduce this on my blog, with appropriate credit given?29,000 Acornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00668130282973833943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-22714182001933021662012-07-09T22:22:44.531-07:002012-07-09T22:22:44.531-07:00This is a truly exceptional essay. Enjoyed it very...This is a truly exceptional essay. Enjoyed it very much and learned a lot. Thank you.<br />Dr. Glen BarryDr. Glen Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15860390302882463672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-53970924953504457302012-07-08T08:18:25.254-07:002012-07-08T08:18:25.254-07:00Thank you, Ben. Glad to know you feel this way. I ...Thank you, Ben. Glad to know you feel this way. I feel the same, too.<br /><br />Best<br />- MiskoMiskohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00817464033813106607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-76430435028622019732012-07-07T20:22:35.355-07:002012-07-07T20:22:35.355-07:00Misko,
I of course feel great about that!
Thank ...Misko,<br /><br />I of course feel great about that!<br /><br />Thank you,<br />BenKid Cutbankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204041109648102715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4463053724273152516.post-23435187183881683992012-07-06T19:04:23.083-07:002012-07-06T19:04:23.083-07:00Hi!
If I may ask: how do you feel about traditiona...Hi!<br />If I may ask: how do you feel about traditional indigenous, or even non-indigenous social organizations where men and women collaborate in egalitarian ways?Miskohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00817464033813106607noreply@blogger.com